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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Net » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:45 pm

Since the Editor's still napping, I can take a shot at this. :) If you check through some of the battle scenes where the Editor was in, he never even really seemed very hurried about anything.

http://eou.comicgenesis.com/d/20070917.html
He's standing there, in the middle of a war... watching. He's not at all bothered by the fighting around him.

http://eou.comicgenesis.com/d/20070918.html
The battle rages around him, and he just casually strolls through it, unconcerned.

http://eou.comicgenesis.com/d/20070919.html
You'll note here, he disables someone without even really stopping for breath.

If he had actively participated in the battle, I believe the outcome would have been MUCH worse for the good guys.

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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Philosopher » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:24 pm

The editor didn't even consider all the options like time travel. Speaking of what are the rules for time travel. I think they are that what you do in the past affects the future but the future people in the past are unaffected by the changes in the time stream. You can think of time as a stream and that altering time is like setting a blast of in the water and the stream carries the blast along. Also I have a good read for the editor look at <a href="http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html"> The Evil Overlord List</a>. I want to emphasize that the Editor didn't even get a super computer with an A.I. Editor web comics are made of data, Computers manipulate data, therefor A super computer would have been an invaluable tool and ally.

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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Amon Star » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:14 pm

Philosopher wrote:The editor didn't even consider all the options like time travel. Speaking of what are the rules for time travel. I think they are that what you do in the past affects the future but the future people in the past are unaffected by the changes in the time stream. You can think of time as a stream and that altering time is like setting a blast of in the water and the stream carries the blast along. Also I have a good read for the editor look at <a href="http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html"> The Evil Overlord List</a>. I want to emphasize that the Editor didn't even get a super computer with an A.I. Editor web comics are made of data, Computers manipulate data, therefor A super computer would have been an invaluable tool and ally.

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Wrong, I'm afraid. The Editor did consider Time Travel, but never did it to avoid angering a powerful guardian of that domain. And your super AI idea is flawed, I'm afraid. The computer would exist within the Data, as it were, therefore wouldn't be able to alter it the way you think it would. Besides, AIs are notorious for going rogue or being hacked, so the Editor didn't take that risk.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Net » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:26 pm

Yup, the Editor did indeed consider time travel, though I can't find the link at the moment. *mental note to bug Hogan about that* It wasn't worth the risk, since if HE could travel in time, so could someone ELSE. Better to not even go down that route, ya know.

And having a super computer wouldn't work. Besides the points Amon Star brought up, at NO point did the Editor ever affect data that was already produced. Once history was written, he was unable to affect it in any way. What he was manipulating was the comic worlds AS THEY WERE BEING DRAWN.

Manipulating a comic after it had already been drawn is, in effect, a form of time travel if you look at it carefully. And again, time travel is a path even the Editor is wise enough to not follow.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Philosopher » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:18 pm

What are the rules of Time Travel before we consider it a risky endeavor. As to the A.I. I did consider the potential of a rouge but everyone on the EOU was as much of a risk. Aren't all the characters and objects made of data? If so then the A.I. could edit them as they make their moves. I would advise someone though to be near the plug in of the computer as a determinant to any hostility to them.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Net » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:25 am

No. No, no, no. You don't get it. They're NOT data, that's the whole point. The characters in their world are, to them, REAL. And since there wasn't an A.I. used, I don't see the point in continuing the convo about it.

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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Net » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:26 am

No. No, no, no. You don't get it. They're NOT data, that's the whole point. The characters in their world are, to them, REAL. And since there wasn't an A.I. used, I don't see the point in continuing the convo about it.

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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Hogan » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:27 am

Actually, I don't think the EO's would trust a computer with a sufficiant advanced AI any further than they could throw it, probably well aware of the trope regarding such devices turning agaisnt their inventors.
The DRACO for example, could probably have benifitted from an advanced AI, but yet the EO's put more stuck into manual supervision to avoid any "rogue AI"-situation with their most critical equipment...
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby ChroniclerC » Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:06 am

Not to mention the whole Magical Misfits problem. Serious trouble had that happened to the DRACO or any of their internal systems.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Philosopher » Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:07 am

Ok, I understand trust issues but who really was trustworthy on the EOU. I suspect they would have turned on each other as soon as the group gained control. As to the magical misfits didn't that make the robots self aware, so an A.I. of significant design wouldn't be affected. Maybe the answer to the A.I. betrayal would be to make the A.I. less intelligent than the Editor. I really like the http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html evil overlord list. What are the characters if they aren't data in one form or another. If you are going to say real then I ask you this isn't a virtual environment real to the virtual creatures that inhabit it?
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Hogan » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:04 am

The Magical Misfit not only made sufficient advance robotics aware, it also made them freewilled... think if the DRACO suddenly gaining a conscience or a mischiefly spirit? :shock:

Off course, the EOU didn't know about the MM-Effect before Solution and his forces encountered it during the invasion, but they knew about the odds (especially narrative) of rebellious A.I.'s, so they decided to do without.

And about the EO's turning against each other as soon as they've gained control? You cannot say it would be impossible to happen, but judging by their actions and co-operation, I would consider it highly unlikely. During the Wars they took great steps to help and support each other in their schemes, never showing a hint of betrayal.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Amon Star » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:49 am

Philosopher wrote:Ok, I understand trust issues but who really was trustworthy on the EOU. I suspect they would have turned on each other as soon as the group gained control. As to the magical misfits didn't that make the robots self aware, so an A.I. of significant design wouldn't be affected. Maybe the answer to the A.I. betrayal would be to make the A.I. less intelligent than the Editor. I really like the http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html evil overlord list. What are the characters if they aren't data in one form or another. If you are going to say real then I ask you this isn't a virtual environment real to the virtual creatures that inhabit it?

You don't seem to get the point. A computer in a web comic has no greater power to influence that comic that a computer would in the real world. However, the kind of Power you are talking about did appear, when Zog from the Kamics drunk the whole bottle of Webcomic Awareness. Also, certain Authors had this power in their own domain, for obvious reasons. Plus the Editor's Magic could be considered like this, focussed as it is through his name.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby KAMics » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:14 pm

Amon Star wrote:when Zog from the Kamics drunk the whole bottle of Webcomic Awareness.

Actually it was just one drop.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Philosopher » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:06 am

In reality a computer may not be able to directly influence reality but it can control physical objects connected to a computer. As to cooperation was the EOU in any position were a up rise would not be in a position of complete control. Wait for worlds domination then take out the competition; plus look at their back stories and you notice that the one quality they all posses is the lack of morals and honor.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Amon Star » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:43 am

KAMics wrote:
Amon Star wrote:when Zog from the Kamics drunk the whole bottle of Webcomic Awareness.

Actually it was just one drop.

Ah. Well, it certainly looked like the whole bottle, the way it fell into his mouth.
Philosopher wrote:In reality a computer may not be able to directly influence reality but it can control physical objects connected to a computer.

All the droids had their own internal computers. Anything that could have been controlled by a master computer would likely have had it's own computer too. A lot less dangerous that way.
Philosopher wrote:As to cooperation was the EOU in any position were a up rise would not be in a position of complete control. Wait for worlds domination then take out the competition; plus look at their back stories and you notice that the one quality they all posses is the lack of morals and honor.

Unfair. They weren't all Deception.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Net » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:23 am

lack of morals and honor?

Fellback's backstory shows him rescuing Celine from her prison. He WILLINGLY allowed the Editor to wipe his mind in order for the base to be secure in their zone. He conducted himself quite honorably (with evil intent, of course, but honorably).

Dr. Catastrophe's backstory shows his meeting with the Editor. When his daughter got hurt, his only thought was to help her, not on continuing fighting.

Zworgue? His backstory's still running. Evil, yes, but he was loyal to everyone around him, and helped in whatever way he possibly could. Nothing amoral there.

Deception... well, ya know. But the little hornball was more than willing to help the EOU in every way he could once he got into the group, especially since they could provide him an endless supply of women from around the comic worlds. :)

Celine was a prisoner for most of her life, especially growing up. She had full trust in her father and in those around her, and it's understandable if she was a bit bitter at times from her experience. But she never showed any dishonorable signs.

And the Editor conducts himself impeccably. He treated those around him as equals, even though he was well beyond them in scope of power and abilities. When dealing with others, he conducted himself as a scholar and a gentleman... an evil one, yes, but a scholar and a gentleman nevertheless. Look at his fight with Mindmistress, he could have savagely attacked her from the shadows before she ever had an idea he was coming.

Did he? No. He introduced himself, bowed to her in respect, and gave her time to prepare for what was coming. And later, after he had healed up via Mindmistress's machine, he could have attacked her while she was still as Lorelei. The Editor knows how she transforms... he could have easily attacked her, kept her from activating the locket, and slaughtered her.

What did he do? He simply asked the guard at her apartment complex to tell Lorelei that the Editor thanks her for her hospitality, but that he simply must be going. And then... he left.

So I'm not sure what backstories you were reading, but a lack of morals and honor is NOT an accurate description of this group. Part of what made them effective is that they trusted each other, they worked exceedingly well together, and had the backing of each other in every facet of the war.
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Hogan » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:57 pm

That was a great summary there Net, and really how I look at the internal relationships of the EOU's too... :cheers:

Too we must not forgot how fast Deception came to the help of Celine when she faced off against Solution, showing off his Dragon form for the first time, not to mention the fact the Celine got to be one of the only females, of any specie and construction, which he treated with respect instead of leering over her :)
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Philosopher » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:03 pm

I will admit too that you are probably right about them net. Did the Editor read evil overlord list? Also if this was a war why would the Editor treat his enemies with such manors. To finish this up I don't get the Editor but if anybody did then he would be singing "I'm in the Jailhouse now".
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby ChroniclerC » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:16 pm

Lawful Evil is so much easier to work alongside with than Chaotic Good, don't you think?
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Re: Ask the Editor! (and Net, and Hogan, and Phil...)

Postby Net » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:06 am

Philosopher wrote:I will admit too that you are probably right about them net. Did the Editor read evil overlord list? Also if this was a war why would the Editor treat his enemies with such manors. To finish this up I don't get the Editor but if anybody did then he would be singing "I'm in the Jailhouse now".


Considering I was one of the writers for EOU? Yeah, I'm probably right about them. :p The Editor treats EVERYONE like that, because you never know when/if you can turn an enemy into an ally.

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